It is illegal to have an official US picture docutmetn required. Driver's licenses are the easiest thing to get. you could probably get three illegal state-issued IDs in 2 days.

If South Carolins were actually interested in ballot integrity, the state would have empowered some agency to seek out those without a photo ID and assist them in getting one. Suppose that you are elderly, have no birth certificate, no driver's license, and no one to help you obtain a photo ID???

These investigations into "voter fraud" typically turnout to be clerical errors with only a handful of actual cases.

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf#page=14

It's just not that common.

Are you aware, JimW, that most cases of "dead people" voting turn out to have been election officials juggling with the election records AFTER the polls have closed? They simply go through and mark X number of people who hadn't voted yet as having voted, and then cast that number of ballots for their party's candidate. It's something that happens where you don't have people from both parties watching the ballot counting and monitoring things closely. In other words, this kind of vote fraud is something that no amount of "voter ID" would have stopped. And given the fact that the people who are claiming they found dead people who voted are the self-same people who are pushing to put in voter ID laws for the obvious intent of reducing black turnout . . . well . . . the whole thing stinks to high heavens as more of the racist B.S. we have come to expect from the right-wing nut jobs like others who have posted here.

Someone needs to check Wilson's checks to make sure his results from the investigation are valid since he is on the Teapub side trying to change the voting laws.

It's ALLEGED voter fraud. It's not fact; It's not proven! The only fact here is that Republicans are continuing their efforts to suppress voter turn-out.

Larry, that is one of the most racist things I've heard in a long time. This is why the DOJ stepped in, to prevent the suppression of minority voters.

Get over it Larry, 4 more years for both. ROTFLMAO

Doug, nobody wants to suppress the ability of minorities to vote. I for one think that minorities, like majorities, have the basic capabilities needed to obtain a photo ID. In fact, I think those that claim minorities are somehow lacking the basic skills needed to obtain a photo ID are the ones doing these good folks and injustice!

@JimW: "... nobody wants to suppress the ability of minorities to vote..."

except:

the koch bros (ALEX), their ilk, BO haters, do in spades...it's the only purpose of the voter ID laws which does absolutely NOTHING to correct a non existing polling place individual voter fraud...

sad so many have bought the koch propaganda (aka bs)

"A key component of the GOP’s campaign has been orchestrated by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which receives substantial funding from the Koch brothers. ALEC drafted mock photo ID legislation after the 2008 election and in five states that passed ID laws in the past year—Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin—the measures were sponsored by legislators who are members of ALEC."

You should be arrested for being the racist that you are. God will punish you!

Larry, at least you're an honest racist.

Larry this happened in South Carolina. How would this involve President Obama or Eric Holder? Plus how do you know they did not vote for the republican? Please explain. Or are you just a loyal member of the KKK and always assume that some minority is at fault, Maybe you need to look in the mirror to see the idiot who is keeping you down.

Come on Larry, when did you start calling them negroes?

Larry, you are just a shaved chimp looking for a coat.

Actually, no, they shouldn't know... your ballot doesn't have your name on it, votes are anonymous, as they should be.

@Matthew Ostman: "...no, they shouldn't know..."

if there were fraud, who they voted for could be determined...but this is typical of the koch bros polling place voter fraud fairy tale...

it doesn't exit so why these discussions...

@JimW: "...OF COUSRE you should have to show picture ID to vote. This is a 100% no brainer. There is absolutely no room for logical debate here."

of course?...surely you jest...

why have there been some 200 years of voting without polling place voter ID...and why is there no evidence of polling place voter ID fraud...

just how do the dead (fraudulent) folks vote...

some repeat comments from another PATCH thread:

would still like to know the procedure fraudulent voters use...i cant figure how i could vote twice...

the 900 voting would have to some massive conspiracy that would be easily detected...eg;

assume 900 dead folks voted...who organized this fraud (the koch bros?)...the fraud is: that inflicted by the koch bros (ALEX) and their racist sheep on possible BO voters...sad the sheep dont realize they are used by the kochs and other 1%-ers

racist comment based on: "Well what do expect from two negro thugs in DC...one being the WH another at DOJ" [Larry C. Stinson say]...not mention the many not so obvious code phrases.

@jimw: "...don't have a validate photo ID card just get one, it will make your life easier I promise, then please go to the polls and vote!"

it would have made all lives easier if GOP controlled state houses hadnt pandered to koch bros (ALEX).

@stanley
“why have there been some 200 years of voting without polling place voter ID...and why is there no evidence of polling place voter ID fraud...”
First, state issued photo ID has not been around for 200 years. Second, there is no way to know that voter ID fraud has not occurred. If it hasn’t, it is the only type of fraud that has not occurring in the last 200 years.

“would still like to know the procedure fraudulent voters use...i cant figure how i could vote twice...”
Here’s one off the top of my head. 1.) Find the name of a registered voter that is not going to vote (e.g. friend, family member, neighbor, etc.). 2.) Show up at their polling place and claim to be them. 3.) Vote. Better yet, talk someone into registering to vote that you know will not vote and then go vote on their behalf. Or maybe pay someone to register to vote but not go to the polls. Does not seem like rocket science to me.

@JimW: "First, state issued photo ID has not been around for 200 years.

OK so lets talk "recent history"...before 2012 when have voter ID been required...and how many cases of individual polling place fraud were there in "recent history"...or what did the state [SC] election commission miss...ie;

REPEAT comment from another PATCH thread:

state [SC] election commission DID investigate and said, "there are no known cases of voter fraud in recent history..."

re: there is no way to know that voter ID fraud has not occurred. are you saying the state [SC] election commission didn't know if were fraud...they were just kidding.

re: 1.) Find the name of a registered voter that is not going to vote; 2.) etc...Does not seem like rocket science to me.

it's not RS...it impossible science...and who is going to organize all these people running around finding the names of a registered voter who is not going to vote...

239,233 registered voters with no appropriate photo ID, 37,000 deceased, 91,000 no longer live in the state; 20,000 are registered, but go by different names."

these names should be (and hopefully ARE) REMOVED from the registered voters rolls.

It shouldn't be about race, I agree. But it is, because the entire motivation of those pushing ID laws is to suppress black (or other "liberal") voter turnout. They do anything and everything they can think of to make voting MORE difficult. Picture ID sounds simple to those who live where having a drivers' license is commonplace, but not so simple if you live in a center city and don't need one (or don't have a car anyway). In Texas, a student photo ID is not sufficient proof of who you are when you go in to vote, but a gun license is. Think it's just a coincidence that most gun-toters vote Republican and most college students vote Democratic, and that it was a Republican legislature that passed the law? Is there voting fraud? You betcha . . . and the Republican Party is engaged in wholesale fraud to try to suppress the votes of Democrats. One Republican recently asked me, "You don't really believe that everyone should have an equal say in how our government is run, do you?" Yes, I do . . . and Republicans do NOT!

@TomOfVirginia
“Picture ID sounds simple to those who live where having a drivers' license is commonplace, but not so simple if you live in a center city and don't need one (or don't have a car anyway).”

I just want to make sure you know we are talking about South Carolina here. I have spent a fair amount of time in the downtown areas of Greenville, Columbia, and Charleston and can report these are not exactly urban metropolises. Also a drivers license is not required, just a state issued photo ID.

You should be defending the practice of ensuring that every vote cast is legitimate.

The Democrat party continues to slide into the mucky murky depths of slime

No vote should be diluted by fraud.

@Richard H. Davis: "...What an amazing coincidence...I'll bet that in the previous 50 years they hadn't discovered even 50."

is that a $10,000 bet...

this whole voter ID fiasco is amazing...amazing/unbelievable what the koch bros do this country...money in politics do.

REPEAT comment from another PATCH thread:

state [SC] election commission DID investigate and said, "there are no known cases of voter fraud in recent history..."

if SC election commission didn't find fraud and there indeed is the commission should be fired.

I will take that bet. I remember my mother telling me more than 50 years ago how many dead people had voted in the elections in Augusta Ga. in 1956. I do not remember the number, but it was common practice then and it is now.
I could use my dead father's voter card to vote in NC if I were that kind of person. Or my dead uncles who lived in Greenville. And, without a picture ID no one would know.

@Sammy: I will take that bet.

you might want to stay away from the track and out of poker games...
the bet was 50 incidents in last 50 years...all your remembrances are prior to 50 years...ie, my mother telling me more than 50 years ago...the elections in Augusta Ga. in 1956...not that it really makes any difference...

re: it was common practice then and it is now.

any factual support of your opine and to counter: "state [SC] election commission said, there are no known cases of voter fraud in recent history..."

re: I could use my dead father's voter card to vote in NC if I were that kind of person. Or my dead uncles who lived in Greenville.

and you could go to jail...further if election officials are doing their job your dad and uncles names would have been purged from the registration rolls...but for the sake of this ridiculous discussion...

assume you could vote under yo dad/uncles names...who is going to get enough of you types to commit an act that would land them in jail and have little or no effect on an election.

voter fraud of typed addressed by ID laws DOES NOT EXIST in any significant degree.

@JimW: "...how in the world are they able to do step 3?

how about the way they have been doing it (vote) in "recent history" without voter ID.

Home cooking in the cradle of the slave-owning Confederacy and Jim Crow, . Who would've thunk it?

Voter Suppression???????????????????????????????????????????????
1.) Get a free ride to DMV
2.) Get an ID
3.) Vote
How is this suppression? If someone is in such a bad situation that they are unable to do step 1 & 2 how in the world are they able to do step 3? Wait, maybe someone else just does step 3 for them. Oh, now it all makes sense… Silly me.

Do you mean how many of them are dead NOW or then?

Because voting is a constitutional right and there has been no evidence presented that there is enough of a problem to justify disenfranchising people who live their lives without picture I.D's.

Sammy, you are mistaken. A photo ID is required to register to vote and recieve state aid in SC.
http://www.scvotes.org/files/VR_Blank_Form.pdf

http://www.scdhhs.gov/openpublic/ResourceLibrary/forms.asp

@SRD: A photo ID is required to register to vote...

SDR ref link say:

"...a copy of a current valid photo ID...'OR' a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, etc...Voters who are age 65 and over, voters with disabilities, etc ... are exempt from this requirement...Social Security Number is required...is used for internal purposes only and eliminates multiple registrations by a single individual."
http://www.scvotes.org/files/VR_Blank_Form.pdf

@Jack: 'no "there" there.'

COMMENT
said to myself: self, why are you involved in a "no there" discussion...and;

self rationalized: it's because i hate to see the koch bros and their ilk "buy" america when they dont give a damn about the middle class, po folks and the least...

it's not really about tit/tat discussions on PATCH with fellow americans...

@Debbie Jones: "As a poll worker in state and federal elections, it is impossible, absolutely impossible for DEAD people to vote."

agree. If you have time and inclination, would you pls describe what poll workers/election officials do to prevent individual voter fraud at the ballot box...

reasons for the voter ID law are as transparent as asking "how many beans are in a jar", as a jim crow literacy test to qualify to vote...but;

none so blind as those who see the law through koch bros' prescription lens.

@Preston R Hannula: "...a dog and pony show...is researching voter fraud a part of his [DMV director]job"

if not it should be (his or election official's) and should be done prior to any election and registration rolls should purged before any election...

closing the barn door after the pony is out, putting on a show is gross negligence by election officials...and they should be fired...

You are confused about the underlying issue of Watergate. The Bush v Gore has been settled by the non-crazies years ago(Bush won, fair and square)

@JimW: '... no one has explained to me why the “people that would be suppressed” by a voter ID law...This just does not make sense to me...'

what doesn't make sense is the voter ID law: a law that was not needed in "recent history"; a law that doesn't correct/address the real election fraud issues...eg;

electronic voting machines, incompetent and crooked election officials.

tho painfully obvious (BO voter suppression is the law's purpose), no pro voter ID person has explained the law's connection to the koch bros (ALEX)...has explained why the law was not needed until the kochs said it was...

so very sad the BO haters sold (actually gave) their soul to the koch bros...who dont give a damn about them...who cynically pander to the racist element and use them to promote their corporate interests...the politicians did sell their people out for a koch contribution.

re: "...prefer supporting things that make being disadvantaged easier instead of making it easier to not be disadvantaged"

opposing racism and the koch bros does make it easier to "not be disadvantaged"...educating folks re the goals of the greedy bastards does make it easier to "not be disadvantaged."

@Stanley
I still did not see an answer to my question.
I asked: “why the people that would be suppressed by a voter ID law are unable to accept a free ride to the DMV and get an ID card.
You said: “what doesn't make sense is the voter ID law...” and then went on some rant about BO haters, koch bros, and racism.

So let me assume for a moment that your real concern is about people being unable to vote because getting a photo ID is too high of barrier for them to overcome. Would you be willing to support the voter ID law if it included all necessary aid to help any citizen that needed a photo ID to get one?

As I said in another thread, I have absolutely no objection with helping our citizens obtain proper state ID. I think this would be a great thing, since having a valid state issued photo ID could also potentially help them when seeking employment, conducting business or banking transactions, etc. It seems to me this would be a win-win solution for people on both sides of this debate. Also, there would be the positive side effect of helping people that are at the center of the debate.

Oblamer and his sheep already blameing evil rich and devilish banks for their losses. Democrats are almost always the ones caught in voter fraud. http://electionfraudblog.com/daily-election-fraud-news/

The left prefers that others are confused. They know whats going down

@JimW: "... I still did not see an answer to my question. I asked: “why the people that would be suppressed...

the answer: the least are suppressed/opressed by laws based on fiction...NOT fact.

re: So let me assume for a moment that your real concern..."

my real concern is people (our country) being bought by greedy bastards like the kocKs...who pander to racism...use good people to benefit kocK interest.

jimw avoids the real issue with the distraction of ease or unease of getting an ID...cease being hypocrites and admit the painfully obvious: The law does nothing to correct a condition which does NOT exist. (where's the beef)

kocKs-etals know that if they can shave off even 1-2% of turnouts, it'll be enough to tip the scales in race after race.

[CLIPs]
"These laws are a major attack on voting rights. Nationwide, 21 million eligible voters lack the kinds of photo ID required by these laws. And especially if you're elderly, poor, or a student, it's not easy to jump through the hoops required by these laws.

"Joy Lieberman of Missouri. She's 80 years old and has been voting for 60 years. But now she won't be able to vote because her birth certificate does not list her middle name. Or Larry Butler, who was born in 1926 in South Carolina, when birth certificates often were not issued to black Americans. Now, it would cost Mr. Butler $150 to get the documents required by South Carolina's voter suppression law.

@Stanley
First, you keep asking for proof. I do not know if there is proof or not but I do know there is an obvious risk. So why not implement a common sense solution to reduce that risk? Would you be happy if your bank waited until there was proof someone had stolen money from your account before they implemented a policy requiring photo IDs to withdraw funds?

Come on, if you can put aside the politics and desire to scream racism for a moment you have to see this is just basic common sense. If people need assistance getting the required IDs then by all means let’s provide that assistance.

“the only way for dead folk (living imposters) can vote is election officials have not (based on death certificates) purged the registration roster...and;
voter ID law does nothing to enforce election officials to do their job.”

In this case state issued photo ID is a backup safeguard if the names of the dead folks are still on the roster.

@JimW "...I do know there is an obvious risk..."

and how do you know...and how did ya'll NOT know before (in recent history) til' the kocKs told ya'll

re: this is just basic common sense.

nonsense...

i have no desire to scream "racism" except where it exist...it is unbelievable intelligent people do not see it...

@kimbav: People whose lives are relatively well-handled don't understand the difficulty disenfranchised people face.

the well-handled are clueless (for a start should read 'nickled and dimed'), have no idea how po folks live/survive from paycheck to paycheck...there are exceptions eg, FDR, JFK, BO, maybe W.

i understand most rich (well-handled) folks really dont care about the least...what i dont understand is why they pretend otherwise...why they are such hypocrites...just admit they are greedy bastards...and/but;

what i will never understand are patronized (by rich folks) middle class, po folks who think rich folks do care...

of course my comments are over the top hyperbole...but are based on the way good people vote...eg, no new taxes; cut funding to programs needed by the least; give tax breaks to the rich and corporations...